What the actual is this?

FiveM Resource Development Discussion
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So what in the world is the purpose of a FiveM Resource Development & Modding Discussion → Discussion if I cannot share my development and what I am working on?

I have now worked on resources in months that I want peoples thoughts on, it is a very big project, trying to recode the whole ESX basic fundament, but @TheIndra is removing my posts for some weird reason?

From now on I will remove ALL my work from FiveM Forum and post them on my own website where only I have control.

This is basically f***ed up, seriously…
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I am out.

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Why can’t I share what I want? The forum is soooo tight and intoxicated and in the beginning, I was very naive, but this is seriously getting on my nerves to be fairly honest.

  • bilbodog
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What is even the purpose of a forum then, just remove everything.

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We don’t mind a topic previewing a resource you are working on sometimes, but you keep making these without releasing any of them. We want to encourage users to work in an opensource environment as this community is based on helping eachother and sharing their finds

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I am working on re-coding the whole fundament on ESX with real resources and not all that noob code.

I wanna share with the community, but being suppressed like this is literally ridiculous.

I want to share all my code and all my scripts separately and then final merge all of it together.

I want people to be able to follow my work, comment and help me improve it. What I certainly do not need is to make it open source as long as I am developing very actively on it and is far by done. I don’t need all kind of 15-18-year-old kids to change code and keep suggesting stuff.

What I need is a free open discussion forum which you are blocking.

Not to mention that the very first post I posted was edited by moderators to wrong categories, changed stuff that I didn’t want to be changed because it was not even being read before changing stuff and category. Hmm, seems to me that the moderators on here are incompentent.

The whole purpose of a forum is for people to share, connect, comment and help each other. I am developing 20-30 hours a weekend and what to I get? A suppressing moderator but that is fine, I will PM and make sure that everyone who is private messaging me to go onto my own website and then we will take it from there.

This is seriously pissing me the fuck of.

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Never have I been treated this badly before.

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I will reconsider my discussion with another moderator, i want to apologize for my close reasons but your topics have been closed for this earlier.

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If you want to discuss a set of resources you’re intending on releasing in the future, would it perhaps have been better to post a single topic for all of them, to appear less spammy?

In addition, we also have had a number of cases where people posted ‘hey, I’m making this, will release it soon!’, but they then never bothered to release it… and then we’re left with a topic being bumped every few weeks with ‘hi, download link pls’… so we’re somewhat hesitant to allow pre-release topics.

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That is cool, but I have seen other people on the forum which is actually writing in plain-text that they are just showing of their ressource and it is not available for the public. That was certainly not removed, and so what? Why even remove that? The only thing that will cause is for people to see their ressource and create motivation on learning code themselves and just make it themselves? It make absolutely not sense to block these things of or remove it?

I can in no way follow you in this way of thinking, sorry. I am seriously speechless due to this kind of behaviour. A forum is for sharing stuff, creating ideas, motivation, helping, caring and growing. But the only thing supressing these things will result is demotivating people and stuff developing code for the public.

Take me for example. Now I am either considering to just stop developing for FiveM, change game or just make my own website where I can do anything I want.

And then just a fair disclaimer, if this keeps happening then you make people make ressources outside of the FiveM forum, which gives you (FiveM) less power, which makes is easier for people to make money of their developing, which you absolutely dont support by reading your terms and conditions.

So again, I am simply speechless.

I have really tried to support FiveM, trying to calm the situation between developers and FiveM, but now I am kinda on the edge of being a hater of the FiveM moderators and the more of these things that happens, the more I understand how the other developers are feeling.

Over and out, bilbodog

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Moderation is not likely to see every single topic ever created, and also not every later edit/update to a topic.

If you see any such thing, as showing something off which you’re not intending to release is not allowed (other than in your single Server Bazaar topic), do make sure to :triangular_flag_on_post: the topic to bring it to the staff’s attention.

In your case it seems you’ve made multiple topics looking like a release, but none of them have been releases as they didn’t seem to mention a download link at all; I can understand this might’ve looked confusing to staff reviewing these topics, as it seemed like another case of ‘look, I made this, here’s a video, but I won’t release it’ as seems all too common lately.

Again, we don’t allow ‘show-off’ topics for work that isn’t intended to be released outside of your server’s ‘Server Bazaar’ topic, firstly as it will attract infinite amounts of ‘hey, download where?’ posts, but also as this is a sharing-based community, and keeping ‘cool things’ to yourself is generally frowned upon; and the consensus on show-off topics seems to be that it might amount to ‘rubbing it in the face’ of people who might be interested in the resource you’re showing off.

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I really think that is kinda the consequences of having the forum, that will only encourage people to take it in their own hands. Making their own scripts.

What is the big problem in having these things on the forum? It creates ideas and motivation? I really dont get it.

I have made many things, these scripts is what I have been doing for the last couple of months when I have time for it.

I have made a FiveM List in Denmark, where FiveM servers are being listed, has 840 members, that is free and open for everyone, no money is made from it. Just lists servers, that is me giving to the community too.

I am also working on a RolePlay related website where people are able to sent in application and then the server owners are able to accept/decline them.

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I have also considered to send an application mail to the developing team, because I really think that I could do something and contribute. And as said I am very naive and my motivation is at the top at the moment, but this is really killing it for me.

I really dont understand the big deal of having these posts on the forum, not to try to decide what happens on the forum, but for me it kinda seems like a huge goal, in your own end of the soccer field.

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In an ideal world, it would.

Sadly, this is not said ideal world. :confused: Instead, even on comments on your own YT videos linked in said topics, all it creates is people asking ‘when download link’. :frowning:

Most the community here seems to be people with no genuine interest in research and development, and only a very, very small amount might be inspired and try to learn to create their own version of a resource shown in such a topic.

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Not that, that is the purpose of why I am doing it, but that is actually healthy. If people really want it and they start to make it themselves, that is also called motivation and all of a sudden you will have more cool stuff on the forum.

I want peoples opinion to improve my stuff and as said I am working on re-coding the whole fundament of ESX. Police, EMS, lawyer, weaponshops, clothingshops, garages, legal jobs, tattoo shops.
If I cant reach out to the community and ask for their opinion, well I simply cant make it perfectly great.

More brains are better than one, always. And if I feel like someone is texting me in private and they have something to offer and help me, then ofc. they will join me on my project, which I can inform you that 2 people have. That is great! I am learning them stuff, but they come with cool things and ideas as well.

But as it is right now, it is not ready for release, sorry.
And if you cant share what you are doing, this is the wrong place for me, sorry. I will have to change platform to Discord or my own forum where this would be allowed.

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I am aware of this and some of these people are now BETA testers for our project. Very excited and a part of the project now. You are also able to see that on one of my posts, but again, that wouldn’t be possible if I wasn’t allowed to post it. Then I would never have gotten these peoples attention since they are from Bulgaria, Germany and other places I don’t know I and I sit in Denmark, chances would be low.

Yes, and those who start that passion will be a possible contributor to the community and those who does not, well what is to lose? They will either have to wait or do it anyways. There is no harm?

From my perspective, I only see positive sides, and no negative sides. If you are aware of some then I believe you, I am not the one who is running a forum bigger than I can imagine. Right now I am just feeling suppressed and to be honest, I have no intentions of sharing if I can’t build up my reputation as well. Developers deserve their credits too and not just a forum who is interested in sucking all their work if you understand? It has to be a two-way contribution.

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I’d like to share some of my thoughts as I was asked by TheIndra what my opinion is with regards to creating “preview” topics. I hope that through this post we can all understand where our decisions and thoughts come from.

First of all, I believe “resource previews” (lets call them previews) are allowed. However, like deterministic_bubble has mentioned, we have had such topics in the past that didn’t end up with a download. Is this a problem? In general no. The user might have given up, put it on the back burner or stopped working on FiveM scripts as a whole. Who knows. As bilbodog mentioned, such topics can be a source of inspiration and a place for users to discuss progress. In any circumstance, a preview must be created with the intent of actually releasing it. As long as the intent is there (in a timely manner of course), I have no issue with it.

However, I see some concerns with bilbodog’s topics:

  • In December '19 this was created and closed. A topic, which looked like a finished product. It had a full list of dependencies, said “Something I made before Christmas Eve…”, a video preview and more. Overall, what appears to be a finished product without a download. No mention of wanting input or feedback before release.
  • In October '19 this was created. Again, mentioned this was production ready (per semantic versioning) as it was version 1.0.0. Why is it not released? Software is never perfect and it sounds/looks like it is ready enough to be shared if it is used in his own community.
  • Again October '19 this was created. It mentions the garage script from the previous point as “I have just developed a garage script that you will be able to see in this coming video as well,”. So where can users download this?
  • February 25th this topic was created. It says: “Not really sure what to expand this script with. But come with ideas!”. So why is this a “preview”? Why not share the script if bilbodog wants to get additional ideas from users?
  • Again this topic created 2 hours ago says “Now we do finally have a version 1.0 of a new way to craft drugs.”. If it is version 1.0, then it’s ready to be released.

I have no problem with sharing upcoming work and getting input from users, but what bilbodog is doing severely limits this.

People have been requesting this for a while, but no one can give their opinion if no code can be evaluated! Showing me how nice and shiny a car is in a video is all great and dandy, but it would be even better if I could test drive it to tell you what to improve!

Yes, but this also results in users feeling as this:

But how can you build your reputation without releasing anything, just teasing?

Here’s my final thoughts. I believe that TheIndra acted in good faith. Looking at bilbodog’s profile he saw 6 forum topics teasing work, with most of them giving the impression that it’s even ready to be released, but hasn’t yet. Some topics are 4 months old and there has been little sign of it being released soon.

I suggest for bilbodog to stop teasing any new scripts, finish/release what has been teased before creating any new preview topics. If this is meant as some sort of “pack” of modules, use one topic for them all. Also, users in this community tend to base reputation only usually two factors:

  1. Helping others
  2. Releasing resources

I’m sure bilbodog can get the reputation he wants when he releases his resources!

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Beautiful! Congratulations on FiveM Developer Support. Bilbodog
telling the truth. Good luck with your goal!

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Accusations have been acknowledged. I will just give up. :tired_face:

I am hereby out.

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I’ll apply an irrelevant opinion to all of this.

Sure, opening a topic for discussion on scripts is great.
But you’re asking for feedback or suggestions or anything for something we cannot test.
How am I to offer anything valuable off of a video?

GitHub(as annoying as it may be sometimes), lets you post code and then people can suggest things on it, open issues, open PR’s. Nobody can forcefully modify your code without you approving it.

Now will people make forks, modify it, do whatever with it? Yes. But that happens everywhere, it’s opensource code, open source helps grow development around here.

And if you really refuse to do that, and want to keep making topics. Make one conglomeration topic, where you post them all; a centralized forum so-to-speak. Multiple topics are aids to keep track of, but as pointed out before; many releases have been abandoned and get necro’d all the time.

You post something ~4 months ago and give no real update on it, demanding suggestions, feedback, etc when nobody can test it.

Your products look like a 1.0.0 product, release it and improve from there. How do you think ESX grew to where it is? Or vRP, or any open framework used commonly on FiveM?

EssentialMode and ES_Extended grew massively due to opensource contributions and other developers joining the pipeline to add to it; even if it’s been taken over by someone who can be very frustrating.

vRP grows with the help of the community every day, why can you not join that open source line? To me it looks like you want phantom suggestions with no real assistance from people who could actually help you.

That’s my take on it, :man_shrugging:

Best Regards,
pol

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