We have a question regarding the recent implementations and shutdowns of the FiveM / Rockstar ToS
There was a wave of restrictions at the beginning of May - servers were shut down. As a result, many servers have taken the trouble to revise their system. It cost us weeks of time and a huge amount of investment to change whole system to be now into the ToS. We lost a huge part of our community knowing that this is the future of FiveM. We drop from 200+ players prime down to 120+
Now we see NO further development in that case. Nothing happens anymore. Our emails with CFX have also remained unanswered since the warning. We also havenât seen Community Pulse since May. We also see in the TOP 30 servers in our country that MOST of them are still violating the ToS and nothing is happening anymore. I mean its like âunfairâ because just a few servers got warnings, doing a lot for the changes to be fine with the ToS with the knowledge, it will happen to everyone. But now some honest servers have done all what is needed, lose players that simply moving to servers, that still breaking the ToS & nothing happens.
So my question; Thatâs it? A few servers have been contacted and taked down but it is no longer being enforced right now?
No informations anymore in community pulse or other announcements?
Would be interesting to get statements about that changes on fivem.
Basically they kicked out anyone from the project that did anything positive (which caused others to leave) and kept hiring friends and giving them jobs and doing nothing. Project is basically dead.
Yes and i get everytime the same answer, if i ask something about that topic:
Its just a small team for 30k servers - you need report them
But in that point am really disappointed. There is no âuniformâ regulation or enforcement. It simply works according to the principle: either you are lucky or unlucky. We have many Facebook groups for FiveM, a wide reach on TikTok, YouTube and various side projects. We have educated people that one should not violate the ToS, otherwise CFX will act. Now our call and our opinion are being questioned. We lose our credibility. We are now somewhere between TOP 25-35 in our country. Before we received the email we were TOP 15-20. Now the players are running to various other servers that simply continue to offer everything that is against the ToS. In my opinion, you should either enforce UNIFORMLY for all the same regulations or leave it altogether. This will only destroy the community even more. Like i told â âHONESTâ projects get damage, just because they try âstandingâ behind the acting of CFX & Servers that donât care about any of this can carry on happily. So, as always, the ones who suffer are the ones who follow the rules
We have written to the compiliance mail, we have opened a topic in cfx forum & we write here right now. I donât necessarily want an answer about their workflow. I would rather understand why they dont take 1 day to sort the TOP servers via the server list filter and simply contact the TOP 20+ servers per country within a day just like (a few) other servers before. (Like i told already, it takes ME ALONE just 30 minutes, to figuring out 100+ servers violiating ToS just by sort by players and join discord servers from different country servers - How than even a âSMALLâ team, can not take 1 day time for it?). This would make it UNIFORM and the same for everyone. But as it is, only the projects that adapt and adhere to the ToS are currently broken. That canât be the point of the fact that the servers that violate the ToS are currently getting bigger and the servers that are adapting are losing more and more players (because all players moving to servers that still offer real brands for example) Enforcing the ToS while not losing FiveM players only works with UNIFORM ENFORCEMENT in my opinion.
Take down/copyright warnings usually go out in waves, and thereâs likely a process of checking if a server has complied or not.
CFX/FiveM likely isnât looking to mass shut down every server all once and then deal with the mass chaos that would follow for players, server owners, etc.
From what Iâve seen, it seems a number of servers that get warnings to remove violating content, and then after that period of time theyâre taken down if they continue to have that content. Thereâs likely metrics/requirements weâll never see about how they have to do this, how long before take down, etc.
Would be awesome to get more clarity about how all this stuff works, but it seems to be slowly enforced across FiveM. Releases used to be a total disaster of Copyright violations, and now itâs more or less wiped of the vast majority of violators.
But that fact is simply not correct & that what i am not understanding.
In our country for example just 5 âwarningsâ for âbiggerâ projects happen.
After that nothing happens anymore. (we was one of that 5 projects)
It means â we was forced to change everything to fit the ToS â thats fine.
But MOST TOP SERVERS in our country in TOP 30 still violiating the ToS.
It leads to the issue, that the 5 projects just got damage and losing players (because now all the players moving to the other TOP 30 servers, that still have ALL real brands)
I dont say, that they should âset downâ all the projects.
I say just, that for FAIRNESS it needs a uniform enforcement.
If they contcat 5 servers & warn them, they need also contact the other TOP 30.
Otherwise they just damage âfewâ projects & overall nothing change in general.
Now we just lose players, because players see that several other TOP projects can continue with real brands. If we are the âonlyâ projects in our country â than people will not connect anymore to the 5 projects but continue playing at all the others, that not getting any warns. That can not be the point.
But thatâs not true. Because the MAJORITY of all projects still offer prohibited content. Just âfewâ projects got warns. SOME others changed as well, as they saw that - but after 3+ weeks, where nothing happens anymore, projects dont care again about ToS.
The effect â few projects forced â changed â losing everything now.
All the projects that violiating ToS â get bigger and bigger
How that can be fair or makes sense for CFX ?
We know for example about some TOP 10 servers, that already announced, if they get violiation, they will move to â â â â .
It means now; They get no warns â people from servers (that GOT warns) moving to that servers â AND if its to late and CFX do something again â than they will move with our players, CFX´s players â to other MOD Plattforms. GG
In other words: Whoever sticks to the rules and cooperates with CFX â loses players.
If you donât care about the rules and are NOT planning to cooperate with CFX â Gain more and more players & steal them later for other platforms
And the whole thing is currently supported by CFX simply because they turn a blind eye.
It is quite obvious to us & what we observe; If CFX doesnât first warn THE MAJORITY that are violating the guidelines - they will only destroy the few projects they contact. And here we come back to the principle; Either youâre lucky or unlucky. There is no uniform regulation here. If you belong to one of the 5 projects, you are unlucky and lose everything you have worked on for 1.5 years and a lot of investment.
Funny funfact btw - Thats how CFX work on Violiations Reports.
They got âallâ simply â Solved â Without any response or taken action on that servers.
All of them are TOP 30 Servers that violiating ToS with Real World Brands.
Thatâs the truth? Report servers so they are marked as done without anyone checking? Each of these servers is 1000% violating ToS with branded cars and clothes. What other servers were warned about or even shut down for.
Would like to get a feedback for that.
I mean CFX told us â Report please â And ignoring that reports?
Each report had very detailed informations + screenshots + links.
A lot of time wasted so for that this is simply get ignored?
Than my question is â What is difference for that servers, that got ToS Violiation Shut Downs? (for the same things)
The tickets just autoclose exactly a month after submission, and no comments are made.
It would probably be better if they put some kind of generic âthank you for your report, it has been forward to the appropriate department and will be reviewed. Please note due to the nature of this report, we cannot give you any additional information regarding enforcement.â
You can just test this by leaving a comment with more info; itâll reset the auto-close timer for another month.
The reports likely get forwarded to another internal system where these are handled, Iâve reported plenty of servers/content thatâs had action taken against it (maybe not because of my reports specifically, but action was taken) and they got auto closed as well.
Iâm excited - something has to happen. Dont missunderstanding me. Our intention is not âshut downâ servers. We dont think its good for FiveM. But the servers need to be informed from FiveM about the ToS. I just want servers to receive the same information that others received to fit uniformly to the ToS.
So right now, all our Reports are still âsolvedâ and all TOP Servers continue offering Real World Brands.
I can not understand, how CFX can be fine with the fact, that the BIGGEST Servers each country can advertise and SHOW to everyone, that it still possible offering Real World Brands, during CFX make announcements, that it is forbidden & close âotherâ servers for the same.
Itâs already gotten to the point where players are discussing on Facebook & are of the opinion; the CFX ALLOWS this & the other servers was closed, because they NOT âdebaggedâ cars or anything. But the general public is currently being told by big servers & cfx â that itâs okay. Because NOTHING happens.
And servers, that still fit to the ToS, getting more and more damage, losing more and more players - That simply moving to the âvioliating ToS serversâ.
Also we wait the whole month for Community Pulse from May?
What is going on. What will happen next. More transparency please.
Just thought I would chip in and add some context here, It seems Violations of the PLA continue to be rolled out, however slowly⌠two fairly large communities, âCityLife Roleplayâ and âNOIRE Roleplayâ had their licenses revoked at the start of last week and were temporarily banned for the length of two weeks, beginning the 17th and 19th of this month.
I have noticed, at least from the past few months, that Tebex are doing a lot of work ensuring that stores are compliant too, a lot of large servers that have had non-compliant content on their stores have received emails from Tebex warning them of this, some have also had their stores taken down temporarily until theyâve become compliant too⌠so It does seem that âThe End of ToS Violationsâ isnât entirely true⌠theyâre just continuing to roll everything out exceptionally slow.
As for everything else, like the reports the OP has created and the lack of community pulsesâŚ
Itâs just a shame that nothing is happening. Not even a community pulse anymore. Unfortunately, as one of the TOP servers in our country, it deprives us of any hope of improvement. âBiggerâ servers are still getting bigger because they offer brands & servers that adhere to the ToS are losing more and more players. And whatâs even sadder is that it looks like the solution is to switch to other platforms. Because servers do that & they seem to be doing better there now. Without any restrictions or problems. Unfortunately, the only people who are currently âsufferingâ here and the projects are broken due to this approach are the servers that adhere to the rules and ToS. Ignoring the ToS seems be fine. That is the impression that is conveyed by cfx at the moment. And the only mistake is that it doesnât work regionally on an uniform enforcement. 5 out of 2000 servers receive a warning. 5 servers adapt to the ToS. And 1995 carry on as before. So who is really being punished here? From what I can tell from experience, only the 5 who cooperate instead of the 2000 that still violiating the ToS. What irony. And what has changed as a result? What has become better as a result? Which laws are being followed by the majority? None & nothing has changed. The vast majority have continued as before for over a year. Because reports are processed for 300,000 requests that are checked with a number of false positives, instead of simply starting independently from top to bottom for each country and checking the largest servers in 5 minutes. We submitted a list of over 40 servers and were told that âspammingâ reports doesnât help. On the other hand, reports are requested. But if someone really makes an effort to write legitimate and detailed reports, is it wrong? What does CFX actually want then?
I can assure you, as someone who recently went through a 2 week suspension for PLA violation, they are going through and enforcing.
There are 1000âs of projects, tons of sheisty people, and many loopholes they have to cover.
They are a small team in the middle of a corporate transition. Regardless of the behind the sceneâs drama, we need to trust they are doing their job.
If it isnât there will be alternatives down the road that you can embrace should you feel that Cfx isnât adequate.
Of course, yes, we was one of the projects in our country. But we saw what this kind of enformance make with projects.
If they just pick 5 reports from other 2000 servers in same country â This projects lose a lot of people, because the players simply move on to the next project that still offering real brands.
And of course its a small team and i understand that. But why checking 300.000 reports (with a lot false reports) instead of going in the server list â sort by country â sort by players â start from top & go down the buttom â this way we figured out just in 1 hour around 30 servers that violiating the ToS.
That would be fair
That would have impact
That would be a shoutout to everyone
This way people would see that something happens and respect the ToS. Because you will reach âMOST PEOPLEâ if you start where the MOST AMOUNT OF PEOPLE is. From Top of the serverlist â sorted by country.
And in the END â It would be UNIFORM & FAIR ENFORCEMENT to everyone same time. And not just depending on how âLucky or Unluckyâ you are.
And not just pick 5 servers â Strike them â and people moving on to the other 1995 servers same country that offering still real worl brands.
Youâre welcome to document and report these projects. That would probably save Cfx some time.
We, as a community can sit around and complain or we can enact change. If you feel there is something they could be doing more of, prepare something and serve it to them on a platter. We will likely see more action and involvement if we pull our weight as a community.
While I understand that this sort of stuff infuriates the people that adhere to the ToS (me as well), I do have the following opinion (might be a hot take):
Why do people leave a server?
Just because you donât have real vehicles anymore? Then your server was probably pretty similar to those other servers, maybe a bit better, maybe worse⌠and it had RL vehicles. And now that it lost those vehicles, your server lost players to other servers that do the same thing but still use RL vehicles.
Try and create a unique experience on your server. Donât be the 98th server that does the exact same thing.
I donât know what type of server you are running, but I assure you that being unique creates a magnet that draws people in.
RP servers: Create engagement for groups thatâs not just gangster RP. Create jobs or activities that need multiple players. And apart from that: You donât need any extra vehicles for RP. Itâs called roleplay for a reason. No one will punish a player for calling an Elegy a Skyline.
Racing servers: There are so many vehicles in the game (800+?) and many of them are extremely similar to their RL counterpart. I simply donât see the need to add RL vehicles⌠As an idea: what about custom races with pickups and usables like a party racer?
And as a final point for my ârantâ: What do RL vehicles even add? 99% of people donât know shit about vehicles anyways apart from the existence of the brand. I really could kind of get your point that these are a ânecessityâ if we only had like a hundred vehicles in the base game. But thatâs not the case.
/rant end
And to at least be on topic:
I donât know what your reports look like but what I do know is that way too many people write extremely lackluster reports like âserver x does y and needs to goâ and donât provide any evidence etc. The few reports Iâve seen myself by my buddies had me hit them on the fingers for writing such stupid shit. No one will act on that as it cannot be taken seriously.
We are talking business (thatâs what way too many people forget), not personal grievances. Be factual and objective in reports.
Maybe that could be the reason why they asked you to âstop spammingâ? Again, I have not seen your reports and these are just my thoughts.
The last few times I reported copyright problems I really took my time. In this case itâs DMCA relevant and if I make a mistake, that could have far reaching consequences for me.
Acting on behalf of copyright owners is a delicate matter.
As someone who has run a couple of servers at this point, some with hundreds of players, whether we like it or not, real cars and brands are a huge draw for players.
This isnât something I like, but itâs just reality. When servers lose their branded vehicles/clothing/etc, they suffer huge player count hits as those players move to servers that do violate the rules to have those vehicles/brands. The common person doesnât know or care about copyright law, and they only understand that the server theyâre on on cut back on content.
So in terms of competitive advantage, yeah itâs pretty huge because if players expect (which many of them do) to find real-world vehicles, theyâll just go to servers that provide that. The only way to combat this is stringent enforcement.
Itâs a pretty big draw for people, and the reason why game companies will partner with real world companies instead of just making up car brands if they can help it.
We have written very detailed reports with pictures, proofs, links, informations about everything. We got from CFX the answer, it not âhelps spam reportsâ â So i wondering how to help than. Around 30 DETAILED reports â not just âhere server violiating ToSâ â We took time to figuring out, wich servers violiating, since other servers doing the same stuff and report specially servers, they want to punish or get players from â Its funny because the âreportsâ get used now by servers to weaken the competition and attract players. â I dont think it should be sense for Fivem Community. â In general the community should put together and work together. But the regulations in this way, lead to the issue â that everyone act against each other now. Just because its not regional uniform enforcement â just handled by reports â and that lead to this (not gentlemen) behave & even not really helps. â As well it lead to the issue that the âsmall teamâ have to check a lot of false reports.
And thats why i think â best way would be â Begin from top â sort by players â sort by country â Start checking 50 TOP Servers each country â Than you have reached MOST AMOUNT of people â The message & shoutout will be clear for everyone â others will see & fit their servers alone as well â AND THAN you can start checking reports.
But if you announce, that you will shut down servers for ToS Violiations â Its not correct shut down 5 of 2000 in one country, than 10 from 4000 in another country â and so on. (Just random stats to explain my point) â Because this way â it lead exactly to the issue what @Noor_Nahas saying. However and how good your server and script is. Even if its unique â people will move on to servers that still offering brands, because players have gotten used to it & it have a very huge impact for them. âPlayersâ dont care about ToS in general. They just see that THIS server dont offer anymore content, they want to have. Than they take a look in server list and see 2000 other servers, that offering it â than they will move.
Like i told already, we lead some of the biggest Facebook Community for FiveM in our Country â MOST PEOPLE donât even want to believe that there are such rules and servers are closed. They say to themselves thatâs ok use real brands as long as you debagge them. And if YOUR server not offer that kind of brands â they search for a server, wich doing it. Itâs not the job of players to âunderstandâ something like that in ToS regulations â But itâs certainly CFXâs responsibility to ensure that it is communicated and enforced uniformly and clearly for EVERYONE. Itâs not helpful if it only affects a few out of thousands. Because this means that players are interpreting other rumors that cause such closures instead of understanding the truth
To be honest i read all this and so many servers are still going Against the TOS but yet nothing happens and to be honest i switched over to Redm because of the TOS so i shut my Fivem server because of it if cfx or Rockstar reads this. Your next BEST IDEA to do will be allot Real life brands into the servers it has been years that servers have been allowed to have real life brands and NOT ONCE cfx got into issues with the brands.
The community plays Fivem to be able to use cars and own houses and escape their issues for a few hours Fivem is everyoneâs escape but since YOU rockstar has brought the TOS you are slowly killing Fivem. I may not speak for most servers but I say JUST END THE TOS AND ALLOW SERVERS TO USE REAL LIFE BRANDS WITHOUT FEARING THEIR servers getting shut down and all the time the server owners that they put into the server and funds into their server go to waste.
especially when the TOP SERVERS ARE GOING AGAINST TOS BUT YET STILL UP AND RUNNING
IF YOU WANT PEOPLE TO FOLLOW THE TOS THEN SHOW ACTION AND SHUT THOSE TOP SERVERS DOWN.
Thatâs false, it was never allowed - itâs just that nobody cared to enforce it, being a reasonably small project, but since R* bought Cfx it just wont be able to continue like that. Copyright infringement was never allowed here, ever, and wonât be either.
Thanks for replay !