ESXâs fault for what this time⌠not paying $$$ to test out the protocol? Uh we ainât paying shit, and would like to test for ourselves and not just change a number in a config file to 255.
Have you tried asking?
I am fairly sure that âtesting yourselfâ is considered a âdevelopment/testing serverâ, and maintaining a public resource is a âvalid use caseâ.
You tell me that I as the current ESX maintainer is supposed to ask other server developers hanging out on our discord for an access key? Is that even allowed by fivem?
Fact is still that weâve not been contacted by anyone about the onesync protocol, and no Iâm not going to beg for a manually granted one when people have been contacted by fivem themselves. Yâall know how big esx is and how to contact us, only hates⌠why am I not suprised, nothing has changed in this âcommunityâ.
Fact is you need to contact us yourself, as with everyone.
Nobody âhas been contactedâ by us for OneSync EAP access. Literally.
Also, if the post says youâre welcome to ask, how is this considered âbeggingâ?
You know how âbigâ you are yourself, and that if you want the best for your users, youâd try to add support for this oft-requested functionality, and ask for a testing license.
Everyone has to follow protocol, no matter how âbigâ they are.
I also donât see any âhatesâ?
And similarly, you donât seem to have changed at all. How did you get ownership of a âcommunity-basedâ resource, anyway, when you donât even seem to know what a community is?
You donât see any hates but I and many others have seen your hidden trash talking channels. I know how you think about esx. You know I can partially understand: Iâm not saying it has the best source code at all, hell most of it shouldâve been re written but it is open source and not a one man project.
EDIT: I donât even need to say anything hell people pm me all the time with people trashing esx on the fivem discord, but hey I donât really care about what people say
Uuuuh Iâve never attempted to claim ownership of the project. Iâm the only current maintainer and the others have moved on with either life, or projects. One reason people left is accally this behaviour. Then if you didnât know ESX isnât a community itâs a RPG framework which you all hate. Facts.
See how I used the words âweâ and not âIâ. When the hell did I claim to own the project lol
We do not have any âhidden trash talking channelsâ. In addition, there is no official or unofficial stance on ESX whatsoever - except that a lot of users seem to report issues stemming from certain oversights/wrongful assumptions made in ESX code/official addons.
Youâve shown quite a hostile attitude when fielding pull requests from community members at times, and this doesnât really breed confidence that a pull request will get accepted.
Itâs been considered multiple times from our development staff to help us, you, and the community by setting up a âfix ESXâ campaign where we go down and audit a number of âofficialâ ESX resources and provide PRs for reported issues, however both lacking install documentation on the official addons (no clear list of dependencies, etc.) as well as the fact that it is unlikely that any large-scale changes will be accepted due to unclarity about the ESX projectâs direction have made it so that we havenât worked on this effort yet.
Community members do not represent the official stance of the FiveM project, its staff, or external contributors. We try our utmost to prevent any such âtrash-talkâ from going out of hand - however, we try not to censor peopleâs independent opinions to non-person entities.
Very well, this mightâve been a misunderstanding - however by âonlyâ maintainer, does this also imply âleadâ maintainer and project gatekeeper? You donât seem very welcoming to community contributions, and since none of the other maintainers are around anymore, this makes things like the above fairly⌠complicated.
Huh? Nowhere did we imply it being a âcommunityâ, read âcommunity-based projectâ - as you say, âit is open sourceâ, which would typically imply being a community-based project: open to community contributions.
Also - âhating RPâ? Iâm not sure where youâve gotten your information. Are you confusing the stances of certain individual and unrelated community members with an official project stance?
By being the âonlyâ active maintainer left, this also implies youâre the lead maintainer. Nowhere did âyouâ imply this, however it is fairly evident that all project direction at this point is led and controlled by you, and you are the sole gatekeeper to any contribution to the project.
And, again, nobody representing ESX has asked for EAP access in the months since this topic was posted - I find it hard to believe that none of your users have requested OneSync support for ESX at all, which would imply at least that youâd be reading up on how to fulfill this feature request.
Please provide detailed error information in #general-discussion:1s-reports.
Cut the bullshit. Iâve seen screenshots of the âhate-plusâ channels where only a couple of people have access. Yea they snitched to me.
There is no channel named âhate-plusâ at all, nor has there been at any time in the past weeks. Discord doesnât filter out the channel list server-sided, you can easily get the list of full channels and youâll see no such channel exists at all.
past weeks⌠is this april jokes? what a fucking joke this conversation is useless go keep talk shit and keep lying
Not sure how this is in any way relevant to the topic.
We removed the âhateâ channels when reorganizing the guild a few weeks ago in order to remove potential negative connotations and the fact that this name caused people to âcirclejerkâ invalid opinions. If your âsnitchesâ would actually relay all information, they shouldâve told you that by now.
Anyway, how would you feel about something more on-topic, like the above:
⌠or any of the other things related to this stated here?
Can you provide some examples to this? You must mean either Blu or Syl and thereâs a bit of history behind the two fools. What are they anways, let me guess, not a part of the inner circle? Since you said you all were not negative at all.
Again feel free to provide examples instead of talking empty, âat timesâ
https://github.com/ESX-Org/esx_weaponshop/pull/31 take a look here.
do i need more links?
what exactly is your point here? you keep talking about community contribuations but yet we either see your firends showing up with attitude who can fuck off or we hear from other developers âyea i fixed x bugâ but wont / never thinks about sharing the fix for the x bug. You donât know what youâre talking about
one has to wonder how you could even have the moral to have such channels hosted. if you had the balls at least talk shit directly to the developers instead of talking behind closed doors where only a copule of people have access. Now you even admit to having extreme hate channels why did you previously lie?!
I have seen the way people get spoken to in PRs and in the past I have seen PRs get closed then that very same code has been implemented by someone else in the ESX âteamâ. This is the very reason why I refuse to contribute to something when the people trying to help are treated like that.
It might not be you directly doing it, but as a whole it leaves a bad taste in peoples mouths.
Not sure - weâve heard a few stories and most of the pull requests that were stated as such are nowhere to be found - author of PRs claims they were âdeletedâ.
âBluâ has been removed from the community for continued childish and immature behavior over a month ago, and Iâve no idea who âSylâ is.
Always taking and never giving, you know, the ideal project maintainer wouldâve written something like this:
Not sure how this is related to the quote above - as said above, this individual has been expelled from the FiveM community permanently due to behavior exactly like shown in that pull request.
Huh? Did you ignore all the sentences above about independent community members?
Also, any time we see someone mentioning âhi, I fixed this in ESXâ, we do suggest to make a pull request, and oftentimes people show the same sentiment we just mentioned above. Itâs not just us as project staff that has this particular sentiment.
Weâre not enemies here, weâre trying to serve the same goal - hopefully: making peopleâs experience better, not worse.
Weird - any time people âtalked shitâ (which you seem to have a remarkably low threshold for) on your community Discord guild people usually instantly got banned.
Also, what, âextreme hate channelsâ? Nowhere did we claim we never had any channels named âhateâ, every sentence above disavowing their existence was in the present tense, which is correct: there are currently no âhate channelsâ. In addition, said naming was only started as a way to âcurbâ and âisolateâ negative community behavior, and was immediately removed when this ended up in a breeding ground for negative opinions.
Again, as said above, weâre not enemies, or well, shouldnât be. Whatâs happened between communities in the past is - and should be - in the past, and again: we have common goals, donât we?
of course youâve seen people too. show some proof as i told that element, that behaviour you just described is disgusting and I would never do such thing on purpose. Yes we have had some prs where they arenât perfect, simply we have standards for our PRs.
Syf syl synn*. dont make me pull up synss pr. ofc you removed that idiot⌠just recently. let me guess:
was there a purge?
you think im gonna hold professional behaviour to you who talk shit behind my back? how about no
they get banned instantly yes, you should try it out. we respect each other there and behave like accual people there compared to the fivem discord & here. thatâs a dev discord if they want to talk trash they can go to fivem discord #ad
keep lying we all know you had hate channels specific to trash talking, why do you keep trying to cover it up. i mean who the hell has (had i guess ) 3+ channels for trash talking?!
no we are enimies and its best if it stays so. you have still not learned jack shit and you are lying for no reason and its starting to piss me off.
one last thing i have to say is that youâre keep mentioning that people dont submit PRs soley because you say we reject them and implement them ourselves to keep credit out and dissmiss people. Let me get you up to speed, as I said in the other post everyone who uses esx have modified it, improved it and made it much better, itâs existed for over 2 years but no one has ever been interested in helping out back the RPG framework that was the fonduation for economic servers. Look at the history of PRs there has never been any real PRs except minor stuff like fixing mistakes, typos etc.
The biggest contribuations are from people who used to give us hints of certain problems etc on either our discord or via PM (close friends or close friendly-communities), stop mentioning like I killed PRs because they were never a thing. Iâve also co-authored where applicable.
edit: My point was that thereâs endless servers who still run esx in the fonduation but dont give 1 fuck to contribuate back. which is kinda sad
Okay. If you say so. Best enemies forever?
Iâd reply to the rest of your post, but the quoted portion seems to summarize your opinion pretty well, and nothing we say seems able to change your stance whatsoever.
Unless ESX appoints a new head maintainer who is not actively hostile towards the FiveM project, we will actively recommend against the ESX framework, and begin motions to phase out usage of the ESX framework across the FiveM systems, starting by not allowing the use of the ESX framework on server keys created after a certain date, followed by phasing out of ability to use it on a piecewise basis.
Iâm not sure who the original founder of ESX is - @GiZz, perhaps? Would he be able to do anything about this scenario here? The above worst-case scenario would be bad for everyone. Donât make it end up that way. Do whatâs best for your project, for our project, and the collective community of FiveM users and server owners.
There was no denying that there was channels labeled hate
however as stated they were renamed.
As a member of the community who utilizes the ESX framework, it saddens me to see the lack of professionalism on your end, as the self-titled maintainer. The Collective is being clear and concise with their responses in regards to your concerns however you appear to negate the fact that itâs even happening.
go ahead you never liked esx or rp ever anyways. letâs see how everyone moves to [removed advertisement and locked post] edit who do you think youâre threating. letâs see how far you dare to take this.
Incorrect, however you probably donât want to admit the truth.