An open letter

FiveM Discussion
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…is why I ended up deciding to sell the project at the time.

Most of the time when a project/company to another company is sold by its owner, the owner doesn’t continue to be associated with said project. While you may have been “promised” something, all the people currently discussing your current state/position are talking about it as if you’ve been tricked to where you are.

The entire discussion here is being discussed as if you’d be betrayed or somehow tricked into selling CFX/FiveM, yet, right before you dissolved your company, it had nearly 14 million dollars in cash. The year before that, you had 7 million in cash.

Everything discussed here should be done in the context that you fully cashed out on this. We can discuss “trickery” and other concepts like you getting betrayed, but you, by all indications of public company records/registration in the Netherlands, made out of this relatively well.

This for me is the most outrageous thing here. There are seemingly dozens of people here literally throwing themselves in the street for a millionaire as if you’d somehow bring back some kind of golden era of non-profit open-source FiveM.

What’s your actual play/goal here? This was always about the money for you and others involved (there’s nothing wrong with that, everyone needs to eat) but why do you keep pushing this image of being some betrayed starving artist?

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While I was really not intending to respond to yet another post full of conjecture, I guess I have to do so yet again.

I was not aware of this being the case in general, though ever since I’ve constantly been told that this is apparently common knowledge. Similarly, it is the exact opposite of what I had been told.

… which is the case. The same thing I posted above applies:

Also,

You’ve been spreading this narrative based on some smartass internet sleuthing for a while, except neither legal entity owned by me has been ‘dissolved’ whatsoever, so your sleuthing seems inaccurate. Similarly so, the only reports for the entity have been for 2021 and 2022, so neither of them represent the money involved in the sale here.

I do not give a single goddamn fuck about ‘cash’ in this regard. Every action I’ve taken since, including trying to send back the whole cash sum, has been from that context.

Somehow inferring that me ‘fully cashing out’ is important context to point out, when I’ve said both before, during, and after the process that monetary gain is of no importance to me is again extremely dismissive.

I’d again much rather send back this ‘cash’ that everyone seems to ascribe so much value to, and have a group of friends I can get along with and a goal to work towards, than be in this current situation where everyone seems to be so upset because of it (and even trying to cheat me out of that last thing I have, because apparently for some of the team, it always actually was ‘about the money’).

Hell, I’d even aimed to just give the project away free of charge in exchange for more certainty in a new role, but Rockstar refused to accept that outcome, or alternately, the person I had told to forward that counter-offer failed to do so, because they somehow expected a ‘bonus’, and the project being given away for free and me getting a proper position where this person could push me out given a little bit of pressure being put on me would’ve left them in a less ‘fun’ position.

(to be noted is the fact that I always offered each and every person I was involved with help with like anything they’d requested - if any of them would’ve asked for, say, €500k for a down payment on a home, I’d gladly have given that to them without too much questions being asked - this was also agreed upon by these folks, only for them to suddenly renegotiate on that and start demanding ‘bonuses’ alongside spreading weird-ass stories everywhere)

I’m not seeing anyone claim that here, either. Similarly, the concept of monetization and why and how it happened had been explained numerous times, including in past scenarios where you brought it up, and you for some reason refused to accept the explanation given at the time.

This is what I could ask you, as well. You (as well as @t3chman, above) seem to be assuming I’m being dishonest here based on a gut feeling, when I’ve been nothing but forthcoming in this regard.

The money means nothing to me. Recall the common saying that money does not buy happiness? In my case all it gave me has been unhappiness.

Similarly, the project was never about the money. Literally. Instead of using your internet sleuthing skills on trying to find company details, maybe look into the stories recounting how terribly broken the situation was back in 2017, where monetization was only ever introduced because of people monetizing in shady ways and it being impossible to enforce against without actually paying moderators or being able to afford weird hosting services because anyone enforced against would usually send an army of spammers to raid the Discord or rent a botnet to DDoS the platform.

Also, again:

The success and sudden explosion wasn’t ever intended. If the project had been meant to be commercial from the get-go, a lot of things would’ve been done differently and as people like you would say, more ‘properly’ done.

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Because I was tagged: I never once said anything about dishonesty or your intentions at all, so lumping me into that assumption is a reach. I don’t think it was all about money for you, I really don’t. Clearly you care about GTA5 and the project a lot and FiveM wouldn’t be where it is without you. I don’t think anyone can legitimately claim otherwise - I’ve said this numerous times in the past as well. I merely pointed out that you are by no means being excluded from being able to contribute to the project and that you still have privileges that most of us don’t. I included the bit about harassment as context to one reason why you may be getting treated differently than say Disquse or any of the anti-cheat devs or elements hired by Rockstar. Even in your moments of wanting to tear it down (and succeeding with some pieces in the Discord), yes you continued with it.

Most of the code that matters for game and OneSync development is public, so if you were let go from Rockstar (you were seemingly hired for a brief period at least and ecstatic about it, as well as showcased your corporate email - something non-employees wouldn’t typically get), you’re still able to contribute in effectively the same way you were when you started the project years ago, as is everyone else. So it’s up to you if you want to continue to contribute, not Rockstar. If it’s not about money, which I’m sure it isn’t, that’s especially true. You may not have special access or authority, but you absolutely can still contribute and help keep the project moving, if you want to. So I don’t think it’s dangerous whatsoever to point that out.

My overall goal was to say, in a nutshell: “this shouldn’t be about nta whatsoever, this should be about Cfx/Rockstar now”. I don’t think everything rides on you to carry the project further, regardless of your brilliance and dedication over the years. There are other brilliant people involved and surely more can be hired if Rockstar wants to. If Rockstar doesn’t want to, well then all of our complaints are pretty much a moot point, because it’s now in their hands to be able to run it into the ground.

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You’ve been spreading this narrative based on some smartass internet sleuthing for a while, except neither legal entity owned by me has been ‘dissolved’ whatsoever, so your sleuthing seems inaccurate. Similarly so, the only reports for the entity have been for 2021 and 2022, so neither of them represent the money involved in the sale here.

There is no “smartass internet sleuthing” your company was/is registered in the Dutch KVK. Your financials are public, and you’ve done nothing to hide this.

I’m going off (admittedly, I don’t speak dutch) translations of dutch kvk records that indicate your role “Uit functie” no longer functioned as a shareholder. Maybe this is wrong, but in that case - you’d be admitting to (again, caveat I don’t care if you make money!) have been making even more than you had in these companies.

I do not give a single goddamn fuck about ‘cash’ in this regard. Every action I’ve taken since, including trying to send back the whole cash sum, has been from that context.

This statement speaks to how ridiculous this whole situation is. You have millions of dollars, you’ve profited of FiveM and everything that people here are angry about (your partnership with Tebex, questionable designers, etc) and yet you have the gall to come in and pretend like we should believe that you tried to “return the money” as if that’s anything someone would do.

The fact you wrote out that you tried to “send back the money” speaks to either someone who is lying straight to our faces and expecting us to eat it, or someone who is fundamentally out of touch with reality, business, and running any sort of organization and improving it.

Hell, I’d even aimed to just give the project away free of charge in exchange for more certainty in a new role, but Rockstar refused to accept that outcome, or alternately, the person I had told to forward that counter-offer failed to do so, because they somehow expected a ‘bonus’, and the project being given away for free and me getting a proper position where this person could push me out given a little bit of pressure being put on me would’ve left them in a less ‘fun’ position.

Every word and scenario you write out speaks to someone who is totally out of their depth and refusing to seek advice in business dealings, or lying to us. Both don’t speak well of you.

You are literally, not figuratively or some imaginary currency, a millionaire who made a conscious and active decision to sell a project, who (according to your writing here) already had millions of dollars before selling it, and is now upset he cannot be involved in the project.

This is what I could ask you, as well. You (as well as @t3chman, above) seem to be assuming I’m being dishonest here based on a gut feeling, when I’ve been nothing but forthcoming in this regard.

I have never been a fan of you, or the way you conduct business or manage the community. I am very clear on that. I don’t believe you’re a healthy force in this community, despite starting it, and my goal is simply to have an honest discussion and opinion rather than have a millionaire gas light us.

The money means nothing to me. Recall the common saying that money does not buy happiness? In my case all it gave me has been unhappiness.

Similarly, the project was never about the money. Literally. Instead of using your internet sleuthing skills on trying to find company details, maybe look into the stories recounting how terribly broken the situation was back in 2017, where monetization was only ever introduced because of people monetizing in shady ways and it being impossible to enforce against without actually paying moderators or being able to afford weird hosting services because anyone enforced against would usually send an army of spammers to raid the Discord or rent a botnet to DDoS the platform.

Spare us the crocodile tears. It was never about the money, yet for some reason, you kept earning more year after year, and then sold it to Rockstar for an undisclosed amount? You’d have easily been able to donate all that money, use it for other causes, etc. but you didn’t.

You did like any business owner would do, you kept the money. Again, nothing wrong with that but spare us the “woe is me” tale you’ve been spinning people.

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This thread is once again off the rails, to the benefit of nobody.

That is literally all you ever do.

someone who is lying straight to our faces and expecting us to eat it, or someone who is fundamentally out of touch with reality, business, and running any sort of organization and improving it.

Every word and scenario you write out speaks to someone who is totally out of their depth and refusing to seek advice in business dealings, or lying to us.

nta has never struck me as a liar. While some of their statements may be a stretch/embellishment, they have always come across as transparent and honest. Regarding being “out of touch”… nobody is exceptional at everything. Maybe nta is a bit naive, socially awkward - these don’t make them a bad person.

Maybe they aren’t very capable of running a business or managing a team, but then - and I said this before - that’s why other people were hired to handle that once things started to spiral out of control. For what it’s worth, not many people can successfully run a business, let alone one generating millions of dollars.

Spare us the crocodile tears. It was never about the money, yet for some reason, you kept earning more year after year, and then sold it to Rockstar for an undisclosed amount? You’d have easily been able to donate all that money, use it for other causes, etc. but you didn’t.

I’m sure you know everything there is to know and are the best person to consult on such things. :yawning_face:

How about instead of making personal attacks against nta you say something constructive for once?

I’d like to remind people that this thread is not about nta but rather several real issues that members of the community deserve answers to. Yes, several points do involve nta; no, that is not an invitation to discredit and attack them or anybody who agrees with these sentiments.

The only thing specifically about nta is regarding their contract with Cfx/R*, which none of us should be privy to anyway. If nothing positive can be said then please just leave instead of derailing good talking points, because it’s not going to benefit the discussion or platform at all.

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Based on my interactions with nta and their activity… I sincerely doubt they barged in with the proposition of “ooo big money” and im pretty sure the sale was more to do with wanting stability for the project which i believe nta said earlier in this thread.

Their actions elsewhere which i won’t go into details on because frankly, its irrelevant here, back this up.

the story is long winded and while i have been witness to discussions about it many a time, i still don’t know the full picture nor is it frankly my business. But your very shallowly drawing up this picture of nta and not understanding it.

Going back to the point of Cfx/Rockstar aquisition… if someone was really just in it for the money, they wouldn’t be contributing to what was their whole project even when in a phantom state with the company (after being promised or whatever).

Your also just entirely neglecting points they’ve made.

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I’m not going to bother with responding to Linden’s concern trolling, this discussion has been derailed ages ago. None of this is ad hominem.

If you look at someone who had 7 million in cash in 2021, then 14 million in cash in 2022, sold the company for an undisclosed amount of money (likely in the millions) and think someone can just “accidentally” fall into this money, you may need to review what lead you to this conclusion.

Do you think this is all accidental? Do you really believe an argument from someone who says it was never about the money, yet year after year kept earning more money?

This whole argument and story is unbelievable. Again, the only two options is nta is lying to us, or has completely stumbled into millions of dollars with no advice.

Similarly, the project was never about the money . Literally. Instead of using your internet sleuthing skills on trying to find company details, maybe look into the stories recounting how terribly broken the situation was back in 2017,

The project was never about money, except it generated millions in profits for everyone involved.

Please guys, look at this critically, I know you’ve built friendships with nta or have other interests tied with nta/fivem, but none of this makes any sense given that we know through “INTERNET SLEUTHING” (literally spending 30 minutes looking at a public record) indicate that it was, in fact, about the money.

14 million dollars in cash is not a subsistence “do it for the love of the project” income.

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You’re actually delusional. Stop talking.

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they literally said they sold it because they wouldn’t humor the free sale thing (iirc - I’m limiting the amount of effort im willing to expend on this)

the millions is the result of the monetization that was put in place to counter the awful exploitative shit show that was present before, and to fund new staff. just because it ended up being a lot more money than they had any use for does not inherently mean it was all about the money. They didn’t try and raise percents or raise prices most things just stayed as they were.

while sure, I might associate more with nta then you that doesn’t mean my observations of them and how they act are entirely worthless.

Your wildly hyper fixated on one aspect and drawing incoherent conclusions no matter the context or counter arguments and at this point my only conclusion is that your so strongly set in your opinion that all your trying to do is stir shit.

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Here we go again - anybody who disagrees with your “objectively correct opinion” is a troll. Nobody likes you and you’re here just attacking anybody you dislike or disagree with. How about don’t respond at all because you have nothing good, constructive, or intelligent to say.

I know you’ve built friendships with nta

I don’t even particularly like nta. They’ve said and done things I disagree with and were even insulting to me; but I’ve never hated them. I’m a big boy who can put past grievances aside when the other party is capable of apologising and admitting fault.

You’re unfortunately incapable of empathy and take pleasure in pissing people off.

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Yeah, just to be clear here, the problem is not R*. They’ve been very professional, extremely generous, etc.

The problem is that when the acquisition happened, a group of chancers within CFX saw their opportunity.

Their plan was basically

  1. extort the nta for millions of $ in bonuses while still pretending to be his friend (3 people did this by begging, emotional manipulation, ignoring, etc)
  2. get nta removed from the project by any means necessary (simultaneously ^^)
  3. get themselves all senior boss positions (fluffed resumes, exaggerated feats, etc)
  4. … Oopsie we didn’t think this far ahead… What do you mean work?

(BONUS) lead chancer is also suing nta for 15%-30% of the sale. You can guess who this is (probably a valuable dev right?)

So yeah I’ll probably get written up to HR by the obvious party for this, but I’ll take one for the team.

I basically see this as a manipulation/mooching off of an autistic savant for years. Keep in mind that these same people drew a paycheck from him for years for just barely ‘hanging out’.

R* has been too nice, but it’s not their fault. They didn’t know anybody until last year~ and then all of a sudden they’re hearing 4-6 team members all say that nta is horrible, mean, pushed him IRL, and then something so horrible&gruesome that I’m not even allowed to know(which is most likely a lie).
In reality, it’s crazy how nta is so bad that he can make people have “PTSD” and become “suicidal” from a job where it’s fully-remote, 100% text-chat only, no meetings, any-hours, any amount of hours, any self-assigned task, unlimited PTO(some people were paid >1yr to do nothing), and almost impossible to get fired – all while strangely the internal chat at CFX was always a ghost town.

CFX was the cushiest job I think I’ll ever have, easy to tell that these babies have never held a real position before.

I’ll end this with some high notes:

  • I think their nepotism+ineptitude is really starting to show itself.
  • R* is hiring lots of pro’s and talented gta modders like Gottfried (this is all public on linkedin)
  • Things are starting to change, work reports are starting to be expected on a bi-weekly basis.

I’m still optimistic about the project in general, otherwise I’d be gonzo. This is a legendary modding collaboration in -the-werks with tons of opportunity for cool things. The last thing I would want is to see gaming companies take this as a bad example of what happens when you work with modders. The reality is that we unfortunately were in a bit of a unusual state @ CFX beforehand - I’ve seen plenty of talented folks tinkering away in obscurity on their own projects.

It’s Nothing that can’t be fixed.

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Really appreciate you having the balls and the morals to say something. You’re one of the good ones. Respect.

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GigaSnail Chad

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Hi.

I may be from the CFX team, but I’m going to speak completely unofficially and simply share my personal experience and story. Get your pitchforks ready, I can handle it.

There’s far more to the story than meets the eye, and what I’m witnessing so far is a narrative building up that strays further and further from what had actually happened.

Although I won’t be giving my comments on absolutely everything, I can at least clear up certain things. Or, well, try to - it’s just my word after all.

There was never any “hostile takeover”, the CFX team isn’t some group of greedy villains. We all wanted the same thing - for FiveM to grow beyond what we all thought was possible, with the help of Rockstar. NTA was part of it all since the beginning.

From what I recall and understand, NTA had a consultant role in the acqusition deal - being involved as much as they’d asked for (guiding where necessary, access to relevant internal communications etc.), until eventually changing their mind and suddenly shifting to demanding a proper employment - like everyone else. That didn’t cause too much of a hiccup, it happened, we move on. And now, we were all part of Rockstar Games.

However, that wasn’t going to last because of the way NTA had always treated the team, even way before the acqusition. Verbal (and on a few occassions - physical) abuse towards the team, varied levels of harassment, continued even past the Rockstar acqusition. The employment was quickly suspended, as anyone would expect.

We never extorted NTA for any millions, in fact we didn’t expect or want to immediately profit off of the acqusition in any way. NTA was removed from the project solely due to their own actions and behaviour, not because we all ganged up or started a defaming campaign. We were all more than welcome to the idea of NTA being involved just like always. NTA himself didn’t want too high of a position, more of a position allowing to focus on code and features, you name it. Alas, the events and actions that transpired, lead to what happened.

And now, with NTA not being involved in the team, it’s still chaotic to deal with, as NTA is doing their best to spread an extremely skewed perspective on what had happened. Leaving out any and all actions they themselves did, only bringing attention to the team’s reactions, and exaggerating them far more than they ever were. That, or completely made up facts that do not fit reality in any way.

Straying away from things related to the suspension, and more of the general idea of what had been going on at CFX: We were willing to help NTA out in being more social, by doing our best to be friends and hanging out regularly (not too frequently, as we’re all in different countries afterall). But every time the team would get together for a hangout (day prior to a proper meeting), there would always be something that happened. Being pushed and attacked, getting spat on, photos secretly taken of me ‘for later’, just to name a few.

NTA’s claims of “wanting to talk things through” only really mean that NTA wants to get back to talking to me and others, expecting us all to conveniently forget everything that had happened, and continue like it had always been, once again, refusing to acknowledge or accept any other outcome.

in fact, this whole escalation started with one supposed ‘friend’ being angry when requested to talk about a situation that they had slowly been throwing me into, and then a huge chain of events downstream from there.

This is referring to NTA (willingly) offering to help me with a situation I was part of, helping someone move away from their parent. Eventually conveniently forgetting some details that I know NTA had been aware of, and now wanting to talk it through… Right now, in person. (paraphrasing:) “I’ll be here and probably sleep here, until you outright say no.” It’s never simple, there’s always some strings attached to that “talking things through”.

I’m sure I’ll get flak for this but, just like the rest of the team, we were quiet because we wanted to be done with the whole mess, and just do our jobs in peace. There’s quite a few people that have witnessed everything as it happened, and know of our experiences. You can choose to believe me or not, I simply yearn to express my experiences after all this time. As mentioned in one of the posts above me, certain team members (me included) had developed PTSD from experiences with NTA, IRL or otherwise. I’m sure I’m forgetting more of what I’d want to say, as I had never hoped to have any chance to speak up.

We had nothing to gain from NTA being fired. We also didn’t want to suffer any more abuse.

“See you all next month!”

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For what it’s worth, the post above is not entirely inaccurate (though a lot of this seems to be written through a very post-hoc lens, and making numerous assumptions).

I could and would post a longer reply if it weren’t the case I’d just woken up out of stressful fear (funnily, of exactly this happening, as I have every recent day) and I suspect going into detail too far would evoke one of my usual trauma responses…

However,

Even this post is an incomplete interpretation of the narrative with a lot of hyperbole (and dismissing a lot of cases that did go well or were expressed as fine despite not being fine in the end) as is what happens if you let things build up for over half a year without even once talking them through. There’s a lot of subtle things involved here, and most of this interpretation only started to even be expressed as of very recently, months into weirdly avoidant behavior towards me.

Was I in any way ‘perfect’? Nope.
Should people at least have told me stuff way, way earlier? Definitely so.
Could this have been prevented if, instead of ghosting me, or not saying stuff and then accusing me of ‘you knew this’ when I’d find out, people kept a bit more of an open mind? Possibly.

It’s not really of any use devolving into a piece-by-piece replay of the entire past 2 years here, but similarly so, there’s a lot of back-and-forth during this period where clearly a lot of things happened.

One thing to note is that I was actually intending to blow off the entire deal last-minute because I felt like the group of people close to me wasn’t exactly being honest anymore, but then after receiving messages along the lines of “please don’t cancel the deal, things like filling out paperwork at least give me a purpose” I reluctantly signed anyway. Notably so, this was on a day where I’d already been excluded from some activity by one person, had another person stir up a weird IM fight, and I was really doubting that everyone was as ‘okay’ with me as they claimed to be.

With how quickly after the deal things devolved with sudden bombshells and avoidance and the likes, this hunch only proved to be accurate as well… negating all the promises that going along with it would permit the situation to become more stable and that everyone would still support me.

Also, you know, given the gravity of one specific accusation:

You have said you were aware of pretty much any photo taken, so there wasn’t ever any ‘secretly’. You even said you didn’t mind it too much as you “could tune it out”, and understood where it was coming from, and other bits and pieces like that. This being an issue to you was never explicitly expressed and feels like it only happened post-hoc as time went on. Had you actually pointed this out and asked me not to do so as it was actively making you uncomfortable, this’d have stopped fine.

Multiple people have told me that Xin has been telling them their side of the events throughout the past months, but notably so, I was never told that side myself at all, constantly being magically expected to ‘know’ certain things, and doubling down on that expectation any time I’d be getting overwhelmed or whatnot as a result of information being omitted. Hell, I don’t even know who has been told these events, and when interacting with new people I actually have to be concerned that they somehow have been the victim of one of Xin’s hours-long rants about me.

The main signs I had got about people’s opinions of me had been people getting more and more silent and distant and avoiding, and any attempt at asking what happened being met with either anger or shutting down otherwise-‘normal’ chats because it’d evoke some emotion again - no concern ever got expressed directly towards me and there mainly was avoiding, ignoring, and stalling. With this uncertainty, and the fact that I already struggle with human interaction and emotions (noting that for a while, from 2023-01 to 2023-05, things actually were improving!), it’s extremely difficult to constantly do the right thing.

Rumor has it Xin has been telling people stories about me ever since 2022, which is when the group first started hanging out with me, but also when a lot of the chaos and mayhem started worsening. Especially fun is that on one hand IU was all ‘wtf people want to hang out with me, and this is a lot of fun, and people seem to e enjoying some of the interaction??’, and on the other I noticed a lot of signs that none of the interaction was genuine, that I as treated as lesser than the other members of the group or other external friends, and never was told why or even that this was the case, leaving me in almost constant stress and fear, which also explains a lot of project-related escalations and events since 2022-06.

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I really shouldn’t joined this mess and I tried to stay away, but I guess I have to add my 5 cents.

Some people from our team prioritized their own careers and opportunities over the project’s future, leaving it in a challenging condition both technically and in terms of public relations.

Somehow, only 4-6 people in the team ever had serious issues with NTA and never managed to build a proper work relationship. Many people in the world dislike their “boss” but don’t let it affect their work. Somehow, you guys didn’t manage to do that, unlike me, for example (although I don’t hate Bas, he’s a person with a lot of issues, and he did a lot of stupid things, but backstabbing him like that is not what he deserved). Please tell me why you (and other people from your group) decided to stay in the team for years while Bas was such a terrible person? Don’t give me a false explanation about “wanting the project to grow,” please. I remember when Bas was literally begging you guys to write a pulse post for weeks until Tabarra had enough and started handling community pulses himself — these were the best pulse posts we ever had (it was before the acquisition, by the way). Also, keep in mind that you and your group of 6 people can’t speak for the whole team of ~20 people. The vast majority of the team never had issues with Bas or at least managed to handle their dramas to not affect the work process like I did.

This is what I was talking about. A group of 4-6 people passively took over the project and somehow felt it’s okay for them to decide what’s good for the project and what’s not. Sorry, but who the heck is “we”? Who made that decision? Who suffered “abuse”? Speak for yourself. Is that why you (as part of the mentioned group) shittalked about him in front of Rockstar employees with your group of “never wanted to get rid of Bas” people? And then you assumed some fun things without providing a single piece of evidence, but did it in public intentionally.

Then you should’ve left this project, as any sane person would do. If Bas was so bad, why did you keep working with him? Right, because he paid the bills and never forced anyone to work.

@Officer_Tenpenny basically told the truth. Some people, for whatever reason, thought they were more valuable to the project than ANYONE else, including me, Bas, @Officer_Tenpenny, etc., and decided that their opinion, actions, and vision are the truth and final and can’t be argued, that they’ve contributed more than anyone else. You guys from the Cfx community probably never heard these names before, even on GitHub, yet they’re more valuable than us (/s). Isn’t it funny that all the community concerns (including these posts) were completely ignored until we, regular devs, mentioned them in proper chats?

It’s really a shame that Rockstar got into such an awkward situation. They’re extremely nice and professional people. Honestly, before the acquisition, I thought Rockstar would be our main “enemy” in keeping the project growing (yeah, I was really pessimistic back then), but in the end, it was “our guys” who spoiled everything.

But this is not finished yet, as was mentioned. We’re fighting for improvements and will keep fighting. Alongside the community creating all these nice posts, we’re fighting “inside” to make it better for everyone.

Don’t forget to report us all to the HRs.

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The core CFX team, the “main elements” so to say, the people who had to interact with NTA directly IRL, and on a daily basis outside of work in group chats etc. I’m glad you didn’t have to witness or deal with NTA daily, but we did.

I had just failed high school, I just got my first job, and reluctancy to let go of my one and only source of income while knowing any other opportunity is nigh impossible. Anyone in my position would’ve been thinking the same. Plus - it’s working for FiveM, a project I’ve been watching and playing on for years, who wouldn’t want to stick around.

I never said I’m talking for the whole team, or the core team that had been involved with NTA directly, all of which could attest to what I’ve said, if they chose to speak up. I’m speaking from my own experience, my own perspective. The rest of the team was left unaware of the chaos unfolding, to keep the project going without hiccups. If the rest of the team were aware of what was happening, do you think they would’ve chosen to stick around?

As said before - a naive mindset, and I got to do what I wanted to do for a job - PR. Plus, everyone else on the team is what made it worthwhile, sticking together through the chaos.

There’s far too much misinformation on why NTA was removed from the team, that’s what needs to be put in the spotlight. There’s no hostile takeover, NTA was in a position you’d all want, but their behaviour had lead to Rockstar having no choice but to remove them from the team. I’m more than willing to tell you anything you’d want to hear and share any proof I have privately, but as it is right now - that’s all I will say publically, as I simply want to move past the chaos and get back to work and make FiveM the best it could be.

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FWIW, I would never have fired anyone, and you folks knew this. (can I play this “you knew this” card for once? though in this case it’s something that was explicitly said, not something that was never said and then re-asking wouldn’t ever lead to a confirmation) Evidently, that was a mistake, almost.

Alternate interpretation: ‘we indeed made an anti-nta crowd and hung out separately even despite them existing, pretending things were fine as long as needed’. This was very apparent as of 2022, even though I was told no such shadow group existed numerous times.

That dishonesty from this group is exactly what led to a lot of escalations and a lot of this behavior that you described as negative - the ‘being shoved’ thing for example has its underlying context in this specific exclusion and outright lying.

Even if the intent wasn’t to form a group ‘against’ me to ‘push me out’ willingly, that part very much can’t be discounted.

As said, most of this group had always only mentioned inappropriate or undesired behavior to basically everyone else, but never to the people accused of such inappropriate behavior - for example, indeed, I’ve at times had Xin randomly vent about other mutual contacts where when asking to confirm way later, these people were never told about the behavior Xin felt was worth venting about.

This same behavior extends to other members of this group, including purposefully aiming to get me pushed out whenever the Rockstar deal went through, and talking about this to other team members.

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It appears there’s a misunderstanding. I believe these discussions are best held in private to maintain clarity and respect for all community members. Let you and your team focus on finding common ground and constructively resolving any issues, rather than airing dissatisfaction publicly. This is not a tabloid magazine. Everyone understands that in this discussion, there are no sides of good and evil; everyone is wrong about something. However, I would appreciate hearing your answer to the main question: what will you do in this situation? If you’re not planning to address this question in this thread, please close it.

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Agreed. As said, the story itself is long, complex, has many twists and turns, and even though it’d make great material for a budget Netflix slow, it’s not in any way related to the future or the direction of the project, beyond the fact that it being unprocessed and unsolved does make it harder for people to actually work on the project.

What’s needed is for everyone to actually talk things through and see if there’s a way to carry on without inducing everyone’s fear of everyone.

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