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blattersturm, dbub, and ntauthority are all the same people.

They were thrown aside almost immediately after selling FiveM, which they only went through with because with assurances they would be able to continue working on FiveM and that it would be an overall positive thing for the project and community.

Instead the people that manipulated nta into selling the project immediately followed up by kicking them to the curb. Disquse was just the next casualty since he did not support their vision, did not support their actions, and has been taking issue with the new developers who

  • are not as familiar with the FiveM codebase
  • do not properly test their code
  • do not wait for review before merging new changes
  • break FiveM and fxserver builds every other commit

The unstable client has been unplayable more in the last few months than canary was over 4 years; and apparently people were quite angry with nta on those incredibly rare occasions as well as when they would push through changes against “internal procedures” (like the new developers do weekly).


Now of course there are two sides to every story, but that side has never been active parts of the community. They do not know how to communicate, and they refuse to address major concerns that have been repeated again and again over the past 6 months. Some of them haven’t even made a public comment in 2-4 years. On the rare occasions these people have said anything it ends up being a lie, or no further progress is made.

There are private chats though, which I had the pleasure of having recently after the drama in the open letter.

Despite saying I didn’t want to discuss the drama with nta, the topic drifted to them four times before some serious accusations were made - topics that have no place being discussed with strangers, claims of blackmail (there wasn’t), and claims about nta’s behaviour – which, while unacceptable, are personal issues between them and should have been resolved between them.

I already came to the conclusion 3 years ago that most of the people working on the project weren’t doing their jobs, and the stuff that’s come out this year has just solidified it. They all complain about nta’s behaviour, but they were happy to get paid for hanging around or doing the bare minimum instead of quitting like most disgruntled employees would.

If you’re wondering how it got so bad, keep in mind that nta does have autism – they brought somebody else in to manage the project, and frequently gave up certain rights/permissions for the good of the project. A lot of people were happy to see them go, but they built all of this almost by themselves – but somehow they deserve to lose everything because they would make inappropriate remarks or physically lash out at people.

Anyway I’m ranting so that’ll do for now.

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A lot of the element names are the same people by the way, there was a point with the project where the element name would shuffle between commits.

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Just got a message that one of the community members who shared their opinion was recently muted with a “fun” claim.

“No constructive purpose to their actions other than creating dissent within the community”.

Beware, Big Brother is watching every single word. The failed managers don’t want you to share your frustration. The PR and Community managers who fail to communicate for months are definitely not “creating dissent within the community”.

You failed to respond to any constructive criticism. Please answer in any of these threads:
One.
Two.
Three.

Not to mention the amount of constructive criticism you’ve received in the Engineering Guild, privately. Even these messages are getting ignored.

There are many constructive questions left unanswered. At the very least, respond to the concerns shared in this forum topic. Of course, these people don’t communicate, they don’t care, and they don’t know how to respond to fair claims because they know they are failures.

Shame on you @TheIndra for helping the gr00t gang to get rid of their “enemies” and the community members who share their opinion.

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Just got a message that one of the community members who shared their opinion was recently muted with a “fun” claim.

“No constructive purpose to their actions other than creating dissent within the community”.

If this is true, that’s a serious concern for all of us.

(UPDATE: This is confirmed to be true, user is hidden for anonimity as @Disquse didn’t share it in his post)

There’s only one thing creating dissent in this community, and it’s the lack of communication from the team with the general public regarding:

  • PRs, and if the team is merging community-pushed PRs.
  • Enforcement of the PLA, and demographics of the servers enforced against (server size, boosts purchased, etc.)
  • Future plans for the platform.

This is how communities are destroyed, a lack of communication and transparency does not fair well in any type of community.

I still have great respect for the team despite all of this, I have hope that there’s the potential for them to understand why it’s essential to communicate with us.

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they shut your server down, then ignore your appeal.

Oh i think i understand now why they never replied to my request (i need more than 3 keys), they would have reply in a 14 days limit… i’m waiting since 21th may…

BTW i hope the situation will be solved soon, in a good way, FiveM is a good project with an amazing community.

I wouldn’t be surprised if this manipulation found its way out of those internal discussions. Especially the part where the claim R* is involved in this unprogressive well, which I still doubt.

I would love to see another side to this story but ya know transparency. I haven’t seen a single official response that even indirectly addresses any issues in the past 900 topics about this mess.

From an outsider’s perspective, this is impossible to clean up (Which is all they seem to care about instead). So far, I’ve seen certain people have become extremely lazy and incapable of doing their work, constantly pushing back deadlines, making excuses, and so on. Nothing gets done.

They wouldn’t be handing out punishments if they aren’t reading any of this.

That’s my rant, at least.

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A simple example of how they don’t communicate and when they do… they don’t seem to really care…







This issue should have been resolved quickly since it’s a simple fix for a significant problem: client-side C# DLL symbols being ignored in stack traces, making it impossible to debug code lines.
Despite its simplicity, it’s taking weeks to be done making it impossible for mono users to debug their scripts effectively.
( if i shouldn’t have posted the pictures… even better :slight_smile: i don’t care! )
Now i wonder what’s more important than letting developers develop?

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higher priority things

If only we had a clue! ~transparency~

Might as well make the repo an archive :stuck_out_tongue:

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Big respect to those that left alongside Disquse, CFX never deserved any of you.

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And — what’s the deal with this months pulse? What’s the correlation between the individual who creates and posts pulses being able to not do so, and this situation? Sad to see the community left out on what was once a very open and transparent community-driven project.

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Don’t get it wrong, we were the heart of Cfx – we, the passionate developers, and our community built these platforms. The creator of this company, the person who basically made both FiveM and RedM, was kicked out earlier, as you might have seen in some other forum messages. Many of us were just people from the community, and we always listened to the community. This approach, along with our transparency and open-source philosophy, brought our platforms to the top of the UGC market. Now everything is being destroyed. Cfx never deserved what happened to it.

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Yeah I mean it was destroyed from within by fellow CFX rats. I still hold R* in high regard, although at times I was salty that we were being held back. However, It is completely understandable why nothing was shared. Now knowing the rat-like nature of the CFX team, I honestly agree with what they did and Kudos to them for protecting their work - I wish my code was not getting other people rich on the black market.

When the GTA source code leaked, things got a bit more strange. We had no involvement in this leak believe it or not, but Disquse, Gotti, NTA, & I were on it like a pack of hungry dogs. Why would we not be hyper-interested in this after reverse engineering the game for years and being technically semi-authorized as a (small) part of “R*”? I tried many, many times to convince them to allow us to turn FiveM into a custom-build of GTA, even if version-locked to 2699. This would have made our lives so much better, and it was no longer an issue of confidentiality, given as someone else had leaked it.

Not encouraging/endorsing this, but It only takes a couple of weeks to port FiveM to the leaked GTA Source, and anyone with a blatant disregard for copyright laws, C++ knowledge, and a torrent client can do this. It constantly felt like we were going to be leapfrogged by random teenagers in their bedroom, or by people living in countries that don’t have to care about IP.

But the answer was always No. I suspect that the entire FiveM team is just temporary until ‘something that was not built in a day’ comes out – and that will be a much more professional product that I’ll even cheer for, if it exists.

In the meantime, I find it amusing that there are job postings on the official website for “Reverse Engineering” of their own games, which I presume they haven’t lost the code for (Final Fantasy 8 anyone?). From my very pragmatic viewpoint, it seems silly to me when the source is arguably public at this point.

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So sorry to hear this happening to you dude.
I hope the best for you.