So, tonight was my very first night on FiveM. I’d persuaded my son and a couple of other GTAV players to check it out too so there we were on a good looking server when…I get pulled over by the police.
Not a problem, play it cool…I was speeding after all so fair enough - lets face the music.
The cop I was dealing with asked me to turn on my mic. I told him in text chat that I didn’t have a mic. Now bear in mind that I had noted that some servers had a mic requirement flagged in their description and that I had picked this particular server (Insanity Justice RP) because it had no mic requirement in the description.
What happened next was a five hour ban…no discussion, no warning, no ‘hey are you new here?’ nothing…just a straight ban. I thought to myself, well, that’s a bit excessive but hey, lesson learned. But there’s more. Apparently, FiveM isn’t smart enough to be able to tell one IP subnet from another. This means that my son, who lives in the same house and is on the same IP (but different subnet) also got banned for five hours.
So, four brand new players, two of whom are instabanned for what is effectively a whole day (five hours is the entire evening and we only play in the evening) without warning or any information as to our completely innocent transgression. I mean - if they had told us what was wrong, we’d have just disconnected and looked for another server but no…four new players, evening’s plans halted and for what?
If you people want to be taken seriously then this kind of thing has to be reigned in. If, on the other hand, nobody gives a crap then FiveM will go the way that all all organisations go when they are abusive towards their consumers. I don’t really care either way, I’ve got nothing invested in this and I get to choose where I get my funzies. Sure, people who break the rules have to be discouraged but…newbies…without knowledge of the unadvertised requirements…and a FIVE hour ban? Seems a bit excessive to me.
YAY more drama. Take it up with the server and not posting it on the FiveM forums where it isn’t needed.
FiveM does not control what servers do with their players.
So because Instagram does something that their users doesn’t like, Apple will go down?
No that’s not how the world works and that’s not how FiveM works.
I’m sorry for your bad experience with a server, but FiveM is a modification framework that others use to create servers. Every server is independent and they may do as they please in regards to banning users no matter if it’s warranted or not. It sounds like you just played on a server that does not meet your expectations.
Move on sounds like excellent advice, advice which I will be happy to pass on when asked about my FiveM experience in the future.
This post was not intended to be critical or to point fingers or to complain about the snowflake tears I had to shed. There’s no drama, I’m not upset and I take your point that FiveM is a hosting framework and that individual servers are a law unto themselves.
I think that GTAV is a fantastic game and that the concept of RP within the GTA world is just laden with possibilities.
All that being said, there surely couldn’t be any harm in guidelines for server operators designed to mitigate situations such as this? Anyways, it would appear that my own desire to pass on constructive criticism here is about as welcome as it would be on a CCP Games forum… and I guess it never did them any harm
Your criticism is completely fine, the wording is something that I was just critiquing.
There have been several posts in attempt to guide players on what it takes to run a server. Unfortunately many do not even read the slightest piece of text as it would take precious time off them copy pasting some scripts. No exaggeration here, a lot of server owners are very inexperienced scripters and don’t know how to run a community.
Its unfortunately something that you may run in to a lot at first, but once you find a server you like, you’ll stay forever. I can advise you to use the tags in the server list and order by player count. Try to avoid “esx” and “vrp” servers as they are popular frameworks run by many inexperienced communities that I described above. Of course, there are also decent ESX/vRP framework servers but they are rare.
I’m sure you’ll agree that passing on negative views without appearing rancorous is fraught with pitfalls but your reply does demonstrate that you have a feeling for what I’m trying to convey - for that you have my thanks. I tend towards the opinion that anyone with the slightest leaning towards roleplay gaming is probably possessed of decent faculties and also probably carries more of an affinity for social gaming experiences than your average twitch fps player.
This experience is what I came looking for in FiveM and so it is unfortunate that my first experience was negative. Your considered response has given me hope though, that there are servers out there which can provide a better fit for my gaming aspirations. While it is unfortunate that a more consistant server playbook doesn’t exist, I can see that disseminating and enforcing such a thing would be almost impossible, especially given the rapid growth of the FiveM ecosystem. Almost impossible isn’t the same as impossible though and if the need for systems to be put in place to improve the situation for players exists then surely it can’t hurt for the players to raise their voices.
I will take your advice on server tags and I will try to take a broader view if and when things go pear shaped. I will also get a microphone
Thanks again for your advice, lets hope I never have to say how I got on, if you take my meaning
The issue gets worse when servers share bans. I don’t see a problem with bringing up servers that pull this kind of crap tbh. Hopefully one of their admins are reading but I gather a lot of them are run by people who followed a script some where. It’s not always obvious when or why admins are manipulating the environment.
I hadn’t realised that sharing bans was a thing…that’s kinda bad news. I mean, I get that people who are out to ruin everyone elses enjoyment should be punished by being kick/banned but applying this punishment to players who make a genuine mistake? The server I got banned from didn’t even advertise that there was a Mic requirement so finding that out by means of a five hour ban seems poor.
The other issue here is the indiscriminate nature of an IP based ban. There are 3 GTA players in my household and so if one of us breaks a rule and gets banned, we all get banned. Perhaps it would be smarter to insist that FiveM players create an account and that bans are enforced on an account basis instead of their IP. This should really fall into the remit of FiveM themselves rather than being left to the individuals who run the servers.
I stopped playing GTAV online when it started rivalling Mos Eisley spaceport as a wretched hive of scum and villainy My hope for FiveM is that things might be better because if the roleplay element. Roleplayers being a better class of person as we all know - time will tell I guess.
The only thing, that I don’t understand is, why you don’t just play on a different server If you got banned there and they use voice chat what you don’t want or at least looked for a text RP server
Well, I guess on that server, I do not want to play
From what a previous poster has said, servers can share bans. This aside though, yes, I could have gone looking for another server, but what about my son, who got banned because he and I are on the same IP. What about the pals who we asked to try FiveM with us who had their evening interrupted too?
I am a little vexed that I personally got such a harsh punishment for something I wasn’t aware I had done wrong. I can see why it happened, even if I don’t agree with the severity of the punishement and that’s fair enough. The real issue here is the collateral damage of IP based bans.
- time will tell I guess.
